It really pains me to admit this, but it looks like Pinababy was right after all...

Today I have been informed that TWO separate Rival white label casinos are throwing in the towel.

Planet 23 and Royal Apollo both cited Rival policies as the reason for their decisions.
RA: "Due to the ongoing issues we are having with processing and Rival management we will be closing down our site in the next few days"

Going by previous occurrences (e.g. Tradition Casino), this will probably NOT have any immediate detrimental effect on players or affiliates as Rival themselves will take over all the running of the casinos (which they already 80% controlled before anyway), but this is certainly going to start some serious alarm bell ringing in many quarters, not least the affiliate community.
And it brings the obvious question - who will be next?

KK
(Seriously pissed-off about all this )

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Personally the reason they are all going that way, is simply because the way Rival treat their customers, which is in turn the way us players got treated.

They deserve and deserved what they have got. Casinos still havent got the message "we will vote with our wallets". So long as casinos decide to get the worst support and refuse to payout within a reasonable manner, they will not have a viable business.

Personally this should be a lesson to all casinos!

I for one will only play in a reputable casino which is licenesed by the LGA , Alderney and a know bookie. I am not saying I wont play elsewhere, however if I do, no matter who recommends or accredits them, its all for the $$$ and is a pile of @#$£ .

oooh careful there uungy. I just served a week sentence for providing evidence of a single case. You just committed Criticism Genocide. They might hang you for that. Let's hope no one sees it, eyes down, quiet. Minding our business.

I think you're safe.

I wouldn't advise ever committing Criticism Genocide again. If you serve a week for one...

10,000 weeks is a long time, comrade.

As to your LGA comment. :giggle

Maybe toss a lil a that Voodoo dust Virtual's way...lol.

Christ.

The LGA is a licensing puppet as bad, if not worse, than eCOGRA. They have been roundly and systematically condemned by Bookmakers' Review, and generally if less ruthlessly, industry-wide. I've done a number of articles on them.

Their bent CEO, Mario Galea, while having apparently released the reins to a new boy, was in fact happily skulking around their ICE stand last January. So for all their BS marketing hype, lovingly publicised by Brian "Jetset" Cullingworth in his ICE report in January, there appears little new there.

What Galea did with his interest in BellMed, an ISP company that provided services for JUST those companies his LGA baby claimed to "regulate", is still unclear. Galea is almost certainly still involved with both.

There are a derisory joke.

As the the Alderney "AGCC", they were tried just ONCE, and failed spectacularly:

The Alderney Gambling Control Commission: an appalling decision and a disastrous precedent set for online gambling regulation

Both these corrupt, puppet fakes are whitewash answer services for the casinos who pay them to reside on their turf.

So let's not have any of that nonsense.

Rivals software and casinos have never been worthy of sending players to.

To do so, was always a bigger gamble than sending players elsewhere.

But hey, that firm Vegas Tech are still going strong after rigging the double up feature, so there's plenty of room to take a punt with these type of things.

shocking info! To be honest, while non of them are "ideal", however without saying any of them are "ideal", I think those I mentioned are more reliable than the ones "recommended or accredited" by dishonest and sites setup to make as much $$$ as possible.

Again, I am not in any way saying they are completely "clean" only they are the best. I am sure if anything comes within the UK governing body, there would be some disputes with their conclusion, however they are not "only" going by the money coming in.

If I have the choice I would go for those simply because they generally take the more "reliable" casinos/bookies and you have a higher chance of getting some questions answered. They dont tend to add and then remove and then add etc. their licensed parties on a weekly basis.

Don't know exactly why KK, but I have always just known in my gut that these guys were slimy. I think it may have been the lawsuit that tipped the scales for me, and then the subsequent playing around with the progressive jackpots. And then of course, the 1/4 million jackpot being won (again) and the lawsuit going quietly away.

Agreed Caruso, the LGA is a complete and utter joke. Uungy, it's great that you've personally had a couple of good experiences with them, but I daresay that is not the norm for the majority of players.

Let's not forget the Realplayer/Casino Club progressive jackpot debacle. Did the LGA EVER make a ruling in that case? And even if they ruled against him, did the $167,000 of progressive funds (as in player's money) ever get reinstated?

My only personal experience, where I know first hand that a regulatory body actually helped anyone....was the Lucky Ace (888 skin) fiasco. To the best of my knowledge the GRA (Gibraltar Regulatory Authority) did intervene in many of those cases, and I believe that everyone due money was paid. I also have some insider knowledge as to what is involved in their complaint process....and they seem on the up and up. It's very detailed, and you generally have a ruling fairly quickly. That's just my take.

How true JoeyL. And let's not forget Topgame. While they may not be on anyone's recommended lists...they managed to survive cheating software, stolen progressive funds to the tune of 600K plus...and people are still playing there, and defending them even. So I certainly can't blame the webmasters entirely..when players who are in possession of ALL the facts, choose to completely disregard them, and play anyway. Call me a bitch...but players like that almost deserve to get burned.

Can I remind all the above posters that this thread is about problems with Rival casinos and nothing else.

If you want to discuss other issues - please start a new thread.
If you want to carry on dissing each other - please find a new forum to post on.

Thanks.

Back on topic, this was posted by "Bonne Chance NV" at AGD - not sure they have ever made any public statements before (I don't remember any) but this make quite interesting reading:

So what they are saying there in a nutshell is that if the operators give too many too generous promos resulting in a nett win for all their players combined, not only do Rival not have to pay the operator their profit share, but that the operators have to pay Rival to cover the losses.

That confirms exactly how I thought their arrangements worked.

KK
{Edit} Ooops - didn't see the 2 posts above before I posted!

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No worries KK. I have split the trash out from this thread. It can now be viewed here: http://www.onlinecasinoreviewer.com/...erailment.html

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